tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post7523573109680516123..comments2024-03-22T02:57:20.853-07:00Comments on Center of Gravitas: Worst. President. Ever.GayProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11289510184782252498noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-62175344985122577512007-03-04T16:03:00.000-08:002007-03-04T16:03:00.000-08:00I just stumbled across this site. A gay blog that ...I just stumbled across this site. A gay blog that doesn't rely on shirtless hunks and talks about presidents? Cool!<BR/><BR/>Though I would not call myself a historian -- I never quite got that Ph.D -- I like to write about the presidents and history, too. <BR/><BR/>I think history and psychology pair well as good majors, especially since our greatest president was probably chronically depressed (Lincoln) and our possibly worst president (Buchanan) was probably gay.<BR/><BR/>With so much at stake in the world, I HOPE that we are wrong, and that Bush isn't judged by history to be the worst ever president. But I'm not hopeful. Time will tell.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://thecupofjoe.blogspot.com/search/label/Presidents" REL="nofollow"><BR/><BR/>http://thecupofjoe.blogspot.com/search/label/Presidents</A><BR/><BR/>Oh, and the Bush-Truman comparisons are absolute rubbish, as I write about on my blog.Joey Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00840960618405398671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-67612041914572949922007-03-01T06:49:00.000-08:002007-03-01T06:49:00.000-08:00if worst president ever is about the harm one does...if worst president ever is about the harm one does or a lack of respect for the people one serves and the laws one enforces, bush wins in my book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-78435024325702553272007-02-23T14:20:00.000-08:002007-02-23T14:20:00.000-08:00Some late notes:Johnson was a lush, as well as bei...Some late notes:<BR/><BR/>Johnson was a lush, as well as being crazy and racist. However, his impeachment was just as much of a Republican put-up job as was Clinton's.<BR/><BR/>I can't defend Harding, but Gore Vidal does give an interesting alternative portrait of him (and Wilson, for that matter) in his novel <I>Hollywood</I>. <BR/><BR/>Speaking of Wilson, let's not forget he opposed women's suffrage as vehemently as he did racial equality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-24279098030575194142007-02-20T21:32:00.000-08:002007-02-20T21:32:00.000-08:00JP: I find that it's a common misconception.Helen:...<B>JP:</B> I find that it's a common misconception.<BR/><BR/><B>Helen:</B> I am shocked -- SHOCKED. George Bush has a penis?<BR/><BR/><B>Evilganome:</B> I agree about Reagan. He would be at the bottom of my list as well. He told Americans that it was okay to hate again.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Bill S.:</B> I think that photo was taken after he burned down an orphanage.<BR/><BR/><B>Elizabeth:</B> All that you say is true. Plus, Andrew Jackson also granted diplomatic regonition to Texas in his last days in office. Even though Mexico had clear jurisdiction over Texas. Even though the Anglo colonists had agreed to be Mexican citizens. Even though this meant Texas would perimt slavery (Outlawed in Mexico).<BR/><BR/><B>ACubedExistence:</B> I have never bought the "it was just the times" argument. There were many people who said that racism was wrong "at the time." For instance, I don't think most African Americans at the time thought that racism was a-okay. Wilson had some good ideas here and there, but that doesn't mean we can so easily toss aside his hatreds.<BR/><BR/><B>Frank:</B> Well, as for best presidents, FDR would probably be near the top. Still, even with him, I disliked the ways that he made the presidency far more powerful than ever intended (opening the door to many of our current problems with the Executive Branch). I have too much gravitas to really have a clear favorite.<BR/><BR/><B>Earl:</B> Well, keep in mind when we had worse, the country went to Civil War. So, people didn't really work anymore.<BR/><BR/><B>Adam:</B> Aw -- That's sweet.<BR/><BR/><B>Rebekah:</B> Good Point -- I think the Bush crew still have some evil tricks up their sleeves.<BR/><BR/><B>Michael:</B> Yep, Grant was a total lush. The U.S. loves to elect its former generals, but they almost always turn out to be mediocre presidents.GayProfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11289510184782252498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-21934340647587344772007-02-20T17:54:00.000-08:002007-02-20T17:54:00.000-08:00W does stand for Worse, no doubt. That said I alwa...W does stand for Worse, no doubt. That said I always thought that Grant's administration was known for its unfettered corruption - and for the President's pretty consistently pickled state -somewhat not unlike our current administration (and president??)<BR/><BR/>FDR is my all time favorite. Not that anyone asked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-10752840944939525472007-02-20T15:04:00.000-08:002007-02-20T15:04:00.000-08:00I've learned to never say "it couldn't be worse," ...I've learned to never say "it couldn't be worse," because the minute I do, it is.rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06980768449046443151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-63268385988038779252007-02-20T09:52:00.000-08:002007-02-20T09:52:00.000-08:00Bravo! This needs to be sent to Huffington Post.Bravo! This needs to be sent to Huffington Post.This Boy Elroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430436265377005923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-62889160566530900382007-02-20T07:10:00.000-08:002007-02-20T07:10:00.000-08:00I'm not up on Bad Presidents in History, but I jus...I'm not up on Bad Presidents in History, but I just find it so hard to imagine worse. With our current disaster, I'm often too distracted (fear, incredulity, despair, fury) to focus fully on my work. How could anyone get anything done with a worse president?Earl Cootiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13204523494279709530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-35874767025187321842007-02-19T20:00:00.000-08:002007-02-19T20:00:00.000-08:00So who would be on your list of BEST presidents, G...So who would be on your list of BEST presidents, GayProf? I'm rather traditional on that score: Washington, Lincoln, FDR, and the other usual suspects. I can understand being a bit wobbly about Washington due to slavery, but remember that he was the only one who freed his slaves (yes, after his death, and, yes, after Martha's, but then most of them were actually HERS to begin with), too. And I just got done watching a very interesting program on C-SPAN about African American perspectives on Lincoln and how he wasn't quite the Hero he's made out to be because he wasn't totally pro-equality. But isn't that a bit unfair? I mean, if we go back to that era, you'd probably come up with about twenty people in the whole country who believed in total racial equality in the way we think of it today. Should we then condemn him for not being Perfect? And he suspended Habeas Corpus, but does that automatically mean he was a tyrant at heart? I'd like to hear your thoughts.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and about Buchanan: It always saddened me that our only "bachelor" president was also one of less "fabulous" ones, too. Seems very unfair.Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03301077496668834657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-79315094136302274992007-02-19T19:49:00.000-08:002007-02-19T19:49:00.000-08:00Was Woodrow Wilson really such a bad president? He...Was Woodrow Wilson really such a bad president? He kept the United States out of most of what was essentially Europe's last royal war. When the U.S. finally did enter the war, it wasn't because Wilson or any one in his administration told half-truths. And at the decisive end of the war wasn't it Wilson who insisted on the development of the League of Nation, the foundation for what is now the United Nations? I think his racism is no secret now but, do we really know that the presidents before and after him or for that matter contemporary white men of influence weren't racists?<BR/><BR/>I didn't/don't want to turn this comment section into my best president is better than your best president but I think it best that we not categorically denounce a president because of his view on race. Besides William Henry Harrison was clearly the best president.ACubedExistencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14286518975948633090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-59383438416501750832007-02-19T14:18:00.000-08:002007-02-19T14:18:00.000-08:00Andrew Jackson has always been my number one bad p...Andrew Jackson has always been my number one bad president - let's ignore that the "Great" military victory which brought him to office actually occurred AFTER the end of the war - but he managed to endorse a public near-genocide of native americans, best typified by his removal of all Cherokee West of the Mississippi (including the multigeneration ones who owned stores and houses - much like Hitler did to the Jews). While Jackson did not make the decision but overrode state (and perhaps supreme court) rights to enforce the "indian removal" policy.<BR/><BR/>He also stopped Spanish Florida becoming a refuge for runaway slaves (that wierd "utopialand" in the Mel Gibson film), Daniel Webster, speaking for himself and Jefferson said about Jackson's election to president, "He is one of the most unfit men I know of for such a place. He has had very little respect for laws or constitutions"<BR/><BR/>He started a system of putting friends and cronies in high federal offices as paybacks, He created a depression by eliminating a national bank (before putting $1 million in the hands of a crony), and passed more Indian removal acts than any other president - and was the great inspiration of gayprof's hated Andrew Johnson (who tried to imitate him). (bleah!)Elizabeth McClunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03627373214555333537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-39351816010029160952007-02-19T13:25:00.000-08:002007-02-19T13:25:00.000-08:00Johnson looks like he's mulling over how to steal ...Johnson looks like he's mulling over how to steal gruel from blind orphans. If only he had Karl Rove to draw up his strategy for this...Bill S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12786195100780643845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-32687198653345812402007-02-19T13:10:00.000-08:002007-02-19T13:10:00.000-08:00What about McKinley and Woodrow Wilson. I would ha...What about McKinley and Woodrow Wilson. I would have to put Reagan on my list but because I hate him with a deep and burning hatred that is.... filled with..hate. I really disliked the guy okay and can not for the life of me figure out why people worship that jackass. But enough about that.<BR/><BR/>Yes, in the end Georgie wins. I had not realized the asshat had learned to read! Oh yeah, and what Helen said.evilganomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04867509470546509687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-46382384438425372992007-02-19T12:54:00.000-08:002007-02-19T12:54:00.000-08:00Is "think about Prime Minister Winston Churchill" ...Is "think about Prime Minister Winston Churchill" code for "masturbate furiously, leaving a sticky mess behind for beleaguered and disgusted cleaning staff"?Helen the Felonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07363440683936148527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-38984502921352491672007-02-19T11:02:00.000-08:002007-02-19T11:02:00.000-08:00This was very educational for me.Because I really ...This was very educational for me.<BR/><BR/>Because I really thought that Bill Clinton invented the blow job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-45734837664080025062007-02-19T10:42:00.000-08:002007-02-19T10:42:00.000-08:00Chad: I think the biggest question that historians...<B>Chad:</B> I think the biggest question that historians will have trouble answering is how Bush was able to get a second term.<BR/><BR/><B>Dorian:</B> Andrew Jackson imagined bankers were hiding under his bed when he went to sleep at night. It's amazing how he was able to shift all the blame for his reckless diplomatic and economic policies onto his successor, Martin VanBuren.<BR/><BR/><B>ROG:</B> I thought that we all agreed this was going to be the blog topic of the day. <BR/><BR/><B>Adrian:</B> While I had not previously thought of it, a singing and dancing James Buchanan does feel right somehow...<BR/><BR/><B>Pacalaga:</B> Yeah, to be honest I am not sure that I would put Washington at the top of this list. He was extremely elitist (not to mention a slave-holder which, you know, I find kinda hard to get over). Still, he could have been a monarch and resisted the idea.<BR/><BR/><B>Brian:</B> In terms of racism, I agree that Wilson ranks at the top. It was Wilson, after all, who rehabilitated (briefly) Andrew Johnson's image and declared Reconstruction unnecessary.<BR/><BR/><B>Cooper:</B> Well, I did hear that Bushie was taking six of his closest friends to Chuck E. Cheese today. I am not sayin', I am just sayin'.<BR/><BR/><B>Doug:</B> You know, I think even the worst presidents would be amazed at the idea that Bushie ended up in that office based mostly on his last name.<BR/><BR/><B>VUBOQ:</B> You've got me. Drugs?<BR/><BR/><B>Chris:</B> Good point about the other folk being dead. Up until now, we have only seen Bushie when he had a do-nothing Congress. He could go even more insane these next two years now that people actually challenge him a little bit.<BR/><BR/><B>Marlan:</B> I did see <I>Auto Focus</I>. Keenear seems inclined to the quirky quasi-indy films.<BR/><BR/>Right now, though, I am obsessing over <I>Little Miss Sunshine</I> Seriously, I need help.GayProfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11289510184782252498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-24944735291691742862007-02-19T10:09:00.000-08:002007-02-19T10:09:00.000-08:00I'll wait for Comic Book Guy to declare the Worst....I'll wait for Comic Book Guy to declare the Worst. President. Ever. He's usually right.<BR/><BR/>BTW, Greg Kinnear. Didja ever see him in Auto Focus? Hogaaaaaan!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-87790703870529157692007-02-19T09:51:00.000-08:002007-02-19T09:51:00.000-08:00"...and side-tracked the nation from its goal of e..."...and side-tracked the nation from its goal of ensuring equal rights to all citizens."<BR/><BR/>You mean this nation actually HAD that goal once? Huh, you'd never be able to tell.<BR/><BR/>The thing about these guys is, well, they're dead. They've done all they can to eff up the presidency. B2 still has two years to lower the bar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-47032648917540595262007-02-19T09:36:00.000-08:002007-02-19T09:36:00.000-08:00So can someone explain why 17% of the country "str...So can someone explain why 17% of the country "strongly approve" of the current administration? <BR/><BR/>It completely baffles me.vuboqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17713707780151175505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-80225012039991704902007-02-19T08:35:00.000-08:002007-02-19T08:35:00.000-08:00In this new hell, it seems like Bush would be the ...In this new hell, it seems like Bush would be the little kid all the other presidents picked on.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14065042871216479832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-51672959884296092942007-02-19T08:20:00.000-08:002007-02-19T08:20:00.000-08:00When I asked a chat buddy what holiday weekend it ...When I asked a chat buddy what holiday weekend it was down there, and he told me "President's Day", I said, "What's to celebrate?!" I thought it was something the "great decider" had dreamed up to celebrate himself, which wouldn't have been beyond the realm of possibility, all things considered. Dictators do things like that. I wonder if Bushie is wearing one of those badges little kids do sometimes on their birthdays, "Today is my special day".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-19221939169804777442007-02-19T07:11:00.000-08:002007-02-19T07:11:00.000-08:00As far as race issues go, I'd have to include Wood...As far as race issues go, I'd have to include Woodrow Wilson along with Johnson as the worst.<BR/>He codified Jim Crow into the Federal Government!<BR/>Both Bush and Reagan seem to have no qualms about spending taxpayer dollars.Both have set deficit records while in office.<BR/>But I must agree with you Gay Prof,<BR/>Geo. W. worst president ever!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-73080634294019084552007-02-19T06:30:00.000-08:002007-02-19T06:30:00.000-08:00I was told by a friend (and never bothered to look...I was told by a friend (and never bothered to look it up, so I don't know how accurate this is) that Washington's presidency was a long, moving poker game. Maybe THAT is what Shrub is referring to when he makes such a comparison.pacalagahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12498703982601315908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-6127612049716312692007-02-19T02:51:00.000-08:002007-02-19T02:51:00.000-08:00I like the idea of lining up your 4 worst presiden...I like the idea of lining up your 4 worst presidents together for a stage show. Sartre, perhaps. Or how about a Broadway musical? It would be like <I>A Chorus Line</I> for dummies. Or <I>Springtime For Hitler</I>...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-11249045290246444582007-02-19T02:32:00.000-08:002007-02-19T02:32:00.000-08:00How DARE you steal my idea!! OK, it is reasonable ...How DARE you steal my idea!! OK, it is reasonable that great minds merely went in the same direction. (Slinks away.)Roger Owen Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05298172138307632062noreply@blogger.com