tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post7889074555223544552..comments2024-03-22T02:57:20.853-07:00Comments on Center of Gravitas: Out AgainGayProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11289510184782252498noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-26312222829250620052007-04-16T20:36:00.000-07:002007-04-16T20:36:00.000-07:00I've wondered that about Ron myself. My sister (1...I've wondered that about Ron myself. My sister (11) used to love Kim Possible...she said she looks like me...awww.<BR/><BR/>And Senor Senior Junior...he needs to wear a gown. He would be a fabulous drag queen, and he would be so much happier.Novicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13239936189155084098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-87038589830345223122007-04-15T05:59:00.000-07:002007-04-15T05:59:00.000-07:00Staying in the closet is worse that smoking. At le...Staying in the closet is worse that smoking. At least smoking is disapproved of in this culture (at last!) Staying closeted gets you all sorts of cred accompanied by high and mighty blather about "privacy" and "dignity" and all the other buzzwords used to excuse BEING A FUCKING COWARD!!!!!<BR/><BR/>That Moz is a Big Ol' Mo has been painfully obvious from nanosecond one. What on earth do you think "This Charming Man" is about, fercryinoutloud!!!?<BR/><BR/>"Outing" is not an "act of agression." It's a declaration of sanity and a commitment to truth.DavidEhrensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11016905507543736049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-62765843621984844992007-04-11T15:13:00.000-07:002007-04-11T15:13:00.000-07:00Nieces and nephews can be very useful in all this....Nieces and nephews can be very useful in all this.<BR/><BR/>As a bisexual woman, I felt conflicted about whether <I>coming out</I> could actually be a bad thing for the cause; I'm married, it is so easy to pass now, bi femme women are one of the most acceptable faces of queer and I experience so little disadvantage that it seemed almost insulting to everyone else to be "out and proud". Plus, okay, I was shit-scared, carried a great deal of residual guilt and thought I might lose everyone.<BR/><BR/>But the birth of my nephew did it for me. <A HREF="http://blobolobolob.blogspot.com/2006/11/hey-there-you-with-pretty-face-welcome.html" REL="nofollow"> Look at the diva</A>. Of course, as little chance of being queer as any other infant, but this infant mattered terribly and the idea that he might have to go through the sort of thing that I went through... well, I wasn't going to stand for it.<BR/><BR/>Still in the process of, though. Got as far as my blog and my mother...The Goldfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15213378454070776331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-6369097509373857372007-04-10T21:47:00.000-07:002007-04-10T21:47:00.000-07:00i'm of two minds about being "out." the first is ...i'm of two minds about being "out." the first is that a person's sexuality is private and not anyone else's business. the other mind says that the more out people there are the more the homophobes and heterosexists will have to rethink their concept of "normality." however, we all know their paranoia won't allow that. the only thing they'd think is that their concept of the world and what is moral is under attack from all those people who want to convert them and their youngsters to the dark side. *sigh*<BR/><BR/>elmer fudd is gay.dykewifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17776768691386493709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-41790595811435642722007-04-09T20:00:00.000-07:002007-04-09T20:00:00.000-07:00I've said it before and I'll say it again - GayPro...I've said it before and I'll say it again - GayProf speaks for me.<BR/><BR/>Red7Eric, your assertion that other people's closets are none of your business is exactly what our hero and brilliant leader GP is denying so astutely (did I lay on thickly enough? I could add more...). As long as the option of the closet is there, we have work to do. The solution to the isolating oppression of the closet isn't some kind of pseudo-freedom of the semi-hidden; it's a collective openness that makes any closetedness untenable and absurd.<BR/><BR/>Having said all that Kumbaya stuff, I will agree that it's wrong to out someone else unless he's a Foley or a Haggard who's actively working against us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-88144641690531514192007-04-09T15:42:00.000-07:002007-04-09T15:42:00.000-07:00I could not disagree with you more strongly: Ron S...I could not disagree with you more strongly: Ron Stoppable is clearly an awkward straight boy. He's always been head over heels for Kim, and he's never shown any affection for other male characters.<BR/><BR/>Besides, is there anyone less fabulous? Yes, I know it's a stereotype, but no more so than that he has to be gay because he doesn't fit in.TEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07765245186357910074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-58460249683127578042007-04-09T15:07:00.000-07:002007-04-09T15:07:00.000-07:00Sorry to say, I'm not familiar with Ron Stoppable....Sorry to say, I'm not familiar with Ron Stoppable.<BR/><BR/>But I've recently changed my tune about celebrity closet cases -- a few short months ago, I thought they were all cowards and judged them harshly for not making a big splashy public coming out.<BR/><BR/>Now, I consider that Jodie Foster and Anderson Cooper are likely as out as I am -- i.e., to their parents, friends, dates, and colleagues. Also, I wonder why I feel so entitled to judge them for their own personal choices.<BR/><BR/>I believe that the consequences of not coming out are much greater than any negative repercussions that openness might cause. And those consequences are borne every day by Mr. Cooper and Ms. Foster ... but not by me -- because I don't have to be closeted if I don't want to -- and I don't want to, and therefore I'm not. And other people's closets are none of my business. And that, as they say, is that.Red Sevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10374428870925284956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-2666752296223074532007-04-09T14:44:00.000-07:002007-04-09T14:44:00.000-07:00Gayprof--Oddly enough, we didn't engage in any dis...Gayprof--Oddly enough, we didn't engage in any discussion of Ron's sexuality. Based on how they react to Pete and I, I suspect the older girl would be uncomfortable, but she'd be equally uncomfortable with the thought of heterosexual romance. Her younger sister, on the other hand, gets upset if Pete and I don't show physical affection for one another, so she'd probably not mind a queer Ron. <BR/><BR/>To be perfectly honest, I don't think either of them like Ron very much anyway, so it's probably a moot point to them.Dorianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14754097613320749614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-55026141551289173462007-04-09T14:38:00.000-07:002007-04-09T14:38:00.000-07:00gp: agreed. it should not be accepted and more, s...gp: agreed. it should not be accepted and more, should be publicly and vocally critiqued.gwoertendykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00542058287462910446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-8693431586345766462007-04-09T13:28:00.000-07:002007-04-09T13:28:00.000-07:00Chad: Well, one of the ways to end the typecasting...<B>Chad:</B> Well, one of the ways to end the typecasting problem would be for more actors to be out. <BR/><BR/><B>Torn:</B> I think the closet can also be addicitive...<BR/><BR/><B>Christopher:</B> Yeah -- I think he is on his own. We can stalk better.<BR/><BR/><B>Micahel Rabin:</B> Well, Señior, Señior, jr., hasn't had a chance to come out. He is always under the shadow of his father.<BR/><BR/>I will point out, though, that he and Ron often share hair-styling tips.<BR/><BR/><B>Dorian:</B> I know of Hannah Montana from ads that run during <I>Kim Possible</I>. Where did your nieces weigh in on the Ron queer factor? Or did that not come up?<BR/><BR/><B>Adjunct Whore:</B> Well, I am not sure that I am advocating a massive campaign of outing. I agree with you that it could be destructive (and also makes being out seem like a punishment).<BR/><BR/>Still, I think we can continue to push for the need to be out. We also don't have to accept celebrities' excuses for not being out.GayProfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11289510184782252498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-18761412928846115412007-04-09T12:57:00.000-07:002007-04-09T12:57:00.000-07:00thank you for the kim possible context: i've never...thank you for the kim possible context: i've never seen the show but the images of ron, especially that last one, make your argument very convincing.<BR/><BR/>in terms of being out, i agree, there is no question that sexuality is not only a private issue--its grave public consequences include hate violence and speech, discrimination in house-buying, employment, health insurance, bereavement/wills....it's impossible to state the limitless of both private & public results of widespread closetedness (a word?)<BR/><BR/>gay people should be out, but "outing" someone is, i think, an act of aggression i am instinctively opposed to. i don't give a crap about rich celebrities but as a practice, i could not advocate "outing"--the dangers are too real and we can't possibly know what they involve on some level. the small-town men, the men/women in the military, those homosexuals who come from restrictive, punishing, conservative homes--they are without question courageous. but not all people are. i'm not sure this personal limit deserves punishment.gwoertendykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00542058287462910446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-80592532395442584642007-04-09T10:38:00.000-07:002007-04-09T10:38:00.000-07:00I had dinner with my mom and my young cousins, two...I had dinner with my mom and my young cousins, two girls about 12 and 8, a couple of weeks ago, and the girls were merciless to me when I revealed that I knew nothing about Kim Possible. The fact that I didn't know who Hannah Montana was either seemed to get me labelled as terminally clueless in their eyes.Dorianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14754097613320749614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-54236469296290756532007-04-09T07:52:00.000-07:002007-04-09T07:52:00.000-07:00Sorry, GayProf, but your fixation on the obviously...Sorry, GayProf, but your fixation on the obviously straight Ron (although I wouldn't mind if he eventually realized that he was gay) has blinded you to the much more obvious closet case on Kim Possible, Senor Senior, Jr.!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-8444321393336195442007-04-09T05:50:00.000-07:002007-04-09T05:50:00.000-07:00This is the very reason I wrote Anderson a blog no...This is the very reason I wrote Anderson a blog note to break up with him last week. I couldn't handle the shame any longer. He's all yours now, Gayprof.ChristopherMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13032361690288998090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-87285992595818313472007-04-09T03:59:00.000-07:002007-04-09T03:59:00.000-07:00I see staying in the closet as a weakness. Like my...I see staying in the closet as a weakness. Like my smoking addiction.tornwordohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16581361982939423598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16010478.post-8674937869983231342007-04-09T00:14:00.000-07:002007-04-09T00:14:00.000-07:00As always you raise some thought-provoking points,...As always you raise some thought-provoking points, but I have to admit, I'm a little irritated by the phrase "glass closet." I really don't see anything objectionable in a public figure choosing ambiguity or not drawing attention to their sexuality, mostly because I can understand the fear of being typecast as the gay writer/musician/actor/etc. <BR/><BR/>Of course, I'd be the first to admit that I might feel this way just because Morrissey can do no wrong in my eyes.VintageSpandexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10174098020865648455noreply@blogger.com